The Deputy Presiding Officer (Alasdair Morgan): I call Keith Brown.
George Foulkes: On a point of order, Presiding Officer. Do you have the power to call instead the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning, so that she can accept her responsibility and reply to the debate?
The Deputy Presiding Officer: I suspect that the member knows the answer to that question. I have the power to call anyone who wishes to speak. In this case, I call Keith Brown.
George Foulkes: Further to that point of order—
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Mr Foulkes, would you sit down, please? I have dealt with your point of order, which was not a point of order.
George Foulkes: This is a point of order.
The Deputy Presiding Officer: It had better be a point of order.
Jack McConnell (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab): On a point of order, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer: No. I will take Mr Foulkes.
Jack McConnell: Will Mr Foulkes give way to me first?
The Deputy Presiding Officer: There is no giving way on points of order, Mr McConnell. Mr Foulkes.
George Foulkes: You might pronounce my name properly from time to time, but that is another matter.
Is it not appropriate for you, as Presiding Officer, to exercise your power to call the cabinet secretary to accept her responsibility and reply to the debate? She was on "Newsnight" last night but she is failing to come along and answer the debate—
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Sit down. I choose from among the members who have indicated that they wish to speak in the debate.
Mr McConnell, do you still wish to make a point of order?
Jack McConnell: Yes. Perhaps the Presiding Officers collectively could reflect on the absolute need for the chair to recognise when a member wishes to make a point of order, regardless of what they personally think of that point of order. I wish you to reflect on that in the course of the day.
The Deputy Presiding Officer: We allow members to make points of order but once it becomes obvious during the making of that point of order that it is not in fact a point of order, we reserve the right to stop the member.